defeated with the aid of the russians, this ideology has been the cornerstone of the trump administration. i agree with malcolm, the ssns frankly appeal to general flynn's ideology that islam is the enemy and frankly that they convinced him that russia can help. that's not espionage, but a level of manipulation that occurred here. >> you now have mike pence, the vice president, throwing flynn under the bus, essentially now saying, an administration official has sold nbc news vice president pence's only source for saying flynn did not discuss sanctions was flynn himself. you have pence being the normal republican-ish camp, and flynn being in the other camp, the sort of odd camp. what's in flynn's future? >> i've been hearing for several weeks that flynn is on the way out. this whole ideology that the trump administration has adopted that's pro-russian i think has to do in large part with this

joining me now, congresswoman judy chu and wendy carrillo, congressional candidate in california. i'll start with you, congresswoman. the current congresswoman, rather than the future congresswoman. i.c.e. says it's not a crackdown that is new and different. but definitely, in talking with the mayor of los angeles, with various officials we've had on the show, people feel it is. is there a crackdown going on? >> i asked customs and border patrol yesterday myself. i asked the los angeles branch what were the people that were being detained, were they people that were actual violent criminals or were they people that were swept up and had misdemeanors. and i asked for the numbers. they could not get that to me. they said they were complying with the older order. however, we congress members are very concerned about this. and we are asking for an official meeting with customs and border patrol in washington, dc to get the true answer behind

things like voter i.d. laws, the harshest possible measures to keep you from voting. what is the community, people such as yourself, the civil rights media, going to do about this? >> we're going to have to first of all be enforcing the voting rights act ourselves. we'll have to litigate more. we also know we'll have to be watching them at every step and making sure that they are not overreaching and overprosecuting people for fake voter fraud. i mean, look, joy, this is a person who is no friend of voting rights or civil rights for that matter. this is a person who said that the voting rights act was "intrusive." this is a person who when the supreme court struck down part of the voting rights act, he said that was a win for the south. like he was a confederate general. and so we will be watching him. we will be litigating, if we have to bring cases against the department of justice, we will have to do that. but at every inch, we have to protect voters. because now we know we have...